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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:44 am

13 If we are “out of our mind,” as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.


Oh yeah totally for God that's why I'm crazy, that's the only reason :P
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by cindyddavis Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:02 am

for we walk by faith, not by sight

When I was in detox I was absolutely miserable every day. I hated everyone. I felt like crap everyday. I rarely participated in discussions and I even got into a screaming match with one of the other girls. Toward the end of my stay there, which was 7 days, i realized i was not myself at all. I felt like "that place" was turning me into a different person. Then i realized it was because i had shut God out completely. I stopped praying, stopped reading and even stopped believing God was really there. I went to the little chapel they had there one day and sat in one of the pews and cried and prayed and begged God to take away my misery and to show himself to me. This is the first time i really felt God speak to me. He told me i had to have faith and nothing more so i surrendered to Him although it probably took a half hour of arguing with Him. He told me to get on my knees which is something i never do or even think about doing. Then he told me to be quiet and be still so i bowed my head and cleared my mind. About 30 seconds later the lights went out in the chapel. I looked at the door noone was there. I was the only person in the room and was nowhere near the lights or the sensors. I started bawling uncontrolably thanking Him over and over. When i finally settled down and stood up to leave i walked to the door, opened it, and the lights came back on. From then on i have never lost my faith. I was still miserable but God got me through it and found an excellent Christian program for me and paved a way for me to get there. It made me realize that if we always ask for signs that God is real its like turning our backs from Him and telling Him everything He did for us was a waste and we dont believe in Him or anything He created. He only asks us to have Faith and listen and obey. Since ive kept that mind set life has been a lot easier. I could not have made it through rehab with God, without my faith.
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:14 am

cindyddavis wrote:About 30 seconds later the lights went out in the chapel. I looked at the door noone was there. I was the only person in the room and was nowhere near the lights or the sensors.


O_O!!!

Whoa that's crazy!
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by Stephanie Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:17 pm

1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

This verse is loaded. We are only temporary beings. The tent analogy gives it some perspective. I went on a canoe trip a few years ago, and the tents we used were not put up in one place for more than 2 nights. Our lives are so short, but the little bit now determines the eternal part afterwards. We can also sort of say that we are invincible as long as we are in Christ. Our bodies may die, but the soul, the part that matters, will never die. True the souls of those who die without Christ still keep going, but to torment. So cool that the verse indicates that God is making us new, eternal bodies that will never fail, never get sick, never get injured. Makes me wonder what we will look like.
10 For we must all stand before Christ to be judged. We will each receive whatever we deserve for the good or evil we have done in this earthly body.

Sort of scary. But it does indicate in verse 19 that when we are in Christ our sin is erased.
11 Because we understand our fearful responsibility to the Lord, we work hard to persuade others. God knows we are sincere, and I hope you know this too.

I tried to share the gospel with someone who I have not talked to in a long time, and I worded something wrong and she got offended and wouldn't accept an apology or an attempt to clarify. Its been kind of hard to convince myself that God knows what my intentions were and that he can still reach this person, though it probably won't be through me. This verse should also urge us to examine our hearts to see if we are sincere. Doesn't matter what kind of act we put on, God knows our hearts.
13 If it seems we are crazy, it is to bring glory to God. And if we are in our right minds, it is for your benefit.

Some of the things we Christians do are pretty crazy if you really think about it. But what does the verse mean by being in our right minds?
20 So we are Christ's ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ we plead, "Come back to God!"

Ambassadors of Christ. Sounds like a huge responsibility. Easier when we are relying purely on God to speak through us.
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by mrszolldozer Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:11 pm

For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 if indeed by putting it on[a] we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.


for me here lately, this speaks to me. the great pull of a christian: we are living in "this tent" where groan, being burden, and long for our heavenly resting place. i can insert the many groans and burdens i have here, but that not the point. the point is in the latter part of this passage. V. 5"He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. " God didn't just drop us off in a unknown desert and say see you when you come home. nope he had to give us a guide. And just like a GPS we can choose to listen or turn it off.

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6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.


I am a children's minister, we just got done with creation and the fall. i ask a question "why did God create everything?" the answer i was looking for was "For his glory". We are made to glorify God. our life is not our to do what ever. it is to please him. i admit my aim is a little off but i have hope.

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.[b] The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling[c] the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by New_Creation Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:38 pm

ECCENTRICSHEEP wrote:Okay, Courtney is gonna dive down a rabbit trail, but I had this on my mind going home from work...and I'm betting someone reading this can relate in some way.


So, I have personally been a Christian all my life. Grew up in a Christian family and everything. Went to a Christian University. Okay I didn't listen to Christian rock until a few years ago honestly, but now its like my main thing. So its Christian this and Christian that.

But you know what? I have always believed that church is absolutely positively the LONELIEST PLACE ON EARTH. Yes, I have pretty much NEVER felt like I belonged at a church. I've never felt like I fit in.

You know what else? I absolutely still have faith in God's church and its purpose for us. I absolutely believe in God's awesome children that walk this earth...even when I don't fit in with them. They are all amazing souls, and God's church is a great place of fellowship. I still believe that. I will never stop believing that. That is why I speak about it so much and how important fellowship is for Christians...even when I myself struggle with it so much.

If you struggle with church and fitting in, don't give up. Never give up. Don't let Satan get in and convince you to give up and go off on your own. Because you can't do it on your own. You really do need some sort of fellowship. A place to go when you need prayers and support. A place to be thankful for blessings. A place to comfort others and be happy for others when they have ups and downs. A place to discuss scriptures, get questions answered, and get a whole new perspective from someone who has a totally different view on a chapter that blows your mind and you learn something new. People to worship and sing to God with. We NEED that. We were created for it.

So you can't give up! Even if you have to keep looking, don't stop looking! God has a place for you. He wouldn't create you this way if he didn't have a place for you already prepared! Maybe its a church, maybe its just a small group of people that meet and study. You are already in a good starting place if you are here in this forum reading this.

Most important is that somewhere out there, someone NEEDS you! Yes you, they need you! Because we were made to serve and help others. You have a place out there serving people and helping others. That's actually the big reason I push church so much, is the work you do there for the kingdom. Its way awesome serving others, trust me, you totally wanna do it! Nothing helps depression and sadness more than serving others. Somewhere out there is a job only you can do and someone is waiting for you to show up and do it.

I tell you, I wonder all the time why I am the way I am. Why am I so weird and different, why did I go through what I have, why do I have to struggle being social so much and feel lonely because of it. Why do I struggle with addictions and depression. I wonder all that all of the time. When I started my photography series and people connected with it, and when it part of it got shared on Disciple's facebook and reached over 130,000 people and was shared 1,600 times...God said "THIS IS WHY I MADE YOU THIS WAY! THIS IS WHY YOU WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE! SO YOU CAN DO STUFF LIKE THIS!" I can't do what I am doing without what I've been through. I am the way I am so I can do this stuff.

So please, don't give up on God's church, and don't give up and God's people. They are sinners too. They make mistakes just like you. And we are all different so we just won't get along or connect with everyone. Its okay. You can still love people even when you don't totally connect. So don't get discouraged if you have trouble connecting, just keep looking. Honestly, if you are holding anything against Christians who have wronged you...its only hurting you. So you might as well forgive them and rid yourself of the poison in your heart that is anger and resentment.

You are in the perfect place if you feel lonely at church. Right here in these forums as a part of the Disciple Alliance. You are absolutely not alone in those feelings here. I know how you feel, and I'm telling you to not give up.


Thanks so much for this. I'm heavily involved in my church - I play in the band, teach at a kind of creative arts school that the church runs, I'm a youth leader who co-runs the youth band, and I'm often at special events for serving the community and stuff. I really love my church and I think in many ways it's the right mix of 'traditional' and 'modern'.
And yet, I still often feel like I'm disconnected there, probably because of my chronic inability to socialise and the fact that I'm the only guy my age in the whole church. It seems like the only reason anyone ever wants to talk to me is to ask me to help out with something. I can't remember the last time somebody invited me to just hang out.
I've tried joining a connect group. Unfortunately it only consisted of me, the couple running the group, and one other person, and it kind of fell apart when the couple running it had their second child. I've just been too busy to find another group since.

Anyway, I really needed to hear this. Thank you.
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by lappinglivingwater Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:31 am

Court, Sam, Maddie, Cindy: You gals are the life blood of this study! You're consistent posting is what I love about the study, and a BIG part of the reason that I keep coming back. Did you know that? Don't brush it off, because that is the truth. You gals are something special -- why? Because you are all so genuine on here. And that's what people love -- people don't care if they are dealing with someone who is "perfect"... they want to talk to someone who is genuine. You all say what's on your mind, you talk about your struggles, and that's a really special thing. Thank you.

I feel like a loner a lot too. Maybe that's the tie that binds all of us on here :) But that's okay. I think sometimes we are all just a bit too hard on ourselves (and doubly so for the teenagers... being a teenager can be rough - hang in there! - emotions run amok, but it's not as bad as it seems).

Anyways, just wanted to say that (even though this isn't the IJWTS thread). :)
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by New_Creation Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:30 am

2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.


It's plain as day that Scripture isn't pretending that life is easy. It isn't. But we know what is to come, and we even have the Holy Spirit right now! This life is only temporary, and when you consider the enormity of eternity, even our most painful struggles here will one day seem inconsequential compared to the joy of God's Kingdom. That doesn't mean they aren't difficult now - it just means we know that one day it will be worth it.

6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.


It is this hope that we have that drives us to do the Lord's work here on Earth. We live by faith and not by sight - we are living not for this life, but in anticipation of the next. That's something I often have to remind myself of. This life, with all its distractions and busyness, can too easily draw us away from what matters.

13 If we are “out of our mind,” as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.


I think this verse is saying that we go crazy for God because of how much we love him (e.g. during praise and worship), but when talking with others, especially newer believers or unbelievers, we should be 'setting forth the truth plainly' (4:2).

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.


I think it's pretty clear how much I love this verse :cool:
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by lappinglivingwater Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:50 am

Kevin Young wrote:Man this chapter! Every verse is so good, where do I begin...

I will just leave at this one verse for now..
20So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!”


The "Come back to God" part of the verse has always struck me. How can we "come back" to God if we have never known Him to begin with? This question led me to believe that this verse is talking about something else entirely. I believe this "Come back to God!" is God's cry to all humanity, considering God enjoyed an intimate relationship with mankind before sin entered the world. I believe God is saying, "Mankind, come back to intimacy with Me. Come back to relationship with me. Come back to what was intended when I created you. Come back to what was stolen from you by Satan. Consider these verses as well.... "4Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes. 5God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure." Even before God created the world, He made a way to ensure that we would have relationship with Him no matter what. That is why we were created. That is why we are here.... to be God's adopted children, and learn directly from our Father how to live in this world. Come back to the original purpose of why you were created!


In this chapter, Paul is clearly discussing two different bodies, one earthly and fleshy, and one heavenly and spiritual and not of flesh. This is a rather interesting concept considering that Adam and Eve were "clothed with coats of skins (flesh)" in Genesis 3:21 after the fall of mankind that you are talking about. But Paul says in verse 3 that we wouldn't want to be found "naked" in heaven, which reminds me of two distinct statements in Revelation. First is a warning from Christ: "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame (Revelation 16:15)." And the second is the spiritual vision of the receiving of this heavenly "house" that Paul is talking about in the first few verses of 2 Corinthians 5: "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the [righteous acts] of [the] saints (Revelation 19:8)." Paul also states that good deeds beget a reward in 2 Corinthians 5:9-10.

So we have the concept of these two different bodies being discussed again by Paul (last time was in the previous letter, in 1 Corinthians 15). Now your fleshly body was created less than 40 years ago, but let me ask you this... When was your spirit created? Food for thought.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
~Genesis 2:1

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said... "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?... When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
~Job 38-17

How art you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!
~Isaiah 14:12 (Do Adam and Eve count as "nations"?)

Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, "Before I formed you in the belly I knew thee; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations."
~Jeremiah 1:4-5

According as He has chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
~Ephesians 1:4-6 (the "us" here are those few strands of hair that Ezekiel bound to his skirt that we just read about in Ezekiel 5, God's "very elect")

"If you can believe, all things are possible to the person who believes."
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Re: 2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

by notebooknut Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:24 am

lappinglivingwater wrote:Court, Sam, Maddie, Cindy: You gals are the life blood of this study! You're consistent posting is what I love about the study, and a BIG part of the reason that I keep coming back. Did you know that? Don't brush it off, because that is the truth. You gals are something special -- why? Because you are all so genuine on here. And that's what people love -- people don't care if they are dealing with someone who is "perfect"... they want to talk to someone who is genuine. You all say what's on your mind, you talk about your struggles, and that's a really special thing. Thank you.

I feel like a loner a lot too. Maybe that's the tie that binds all of us on here :) But that's okay. I think sometimes we are all just a bit too hard on ourselves (and doubly so for the teenagers... being a teenager can be rough - hang in there! - emotions run amok, but it's not as bad as it seems).

Anyways, just wanted to say that (even though this isn't the IJWTS thread). :)


I literally just broke out into a roll of "aaaaawwwwwwwwwww"(s) at my table and now I'm getting weird looks haha! Michael, you're so sweet. I won't argue with it, even though that's my first instinct hahaaa! Thank you! And just to let YOU know, you're inspire everyone to get digging deeper into the Bible!! And I brag on you a lot! You know more about the Bible than pretty much anyone I know. Thank you!
- Maddie

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As different as the sun and moon is
This is the reality of my duality
This WE needs to become a ME!"
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