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LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by Kevin Young Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:54 am

This week we will be discussing LAMENTATIONS Chapter 3. After you read the chapters, please take time to post….

1. Your favorite passages from Chapter 3
2. Things that challenged you
3. Any special insights that you would like to share with us
4. Any questions that you may have
5. Any related thoughts at all
(This is just a guideline and doesn't have to be followed exactly)

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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:14 pm

Best. Chapter. Ever!

Literally my favorite chapter in the ENTIRE bible. This is the chapter I read to keep hanging onto God’s promises. This is the chapter that kept me alive when I only wanted to die. This one!

31-33 is what I really clung to in high school. When I felt abandoned by God I read it all the time to try to convince myself that I wasn't or I wouldn't feel that way forever. That I wouldn't feel that way forever, that it would get better at some point. 25-30 is what I pull out a lot now. Just as a "so be it, I accept this struggle even if its for life" kind of thing. Hard to describe.

19 I remember my affliction and my wandering,
the bitterness and the gall.
20 I well remember them,
and my soul is downcast within me.
21 Yet this I call to mind
and therefore I have hope:


You can’t just dwell on the past and let it eat you inside. Like all the what if’s and what could have been’s. What you should have done. But you also can’t forget where you came from. Like dwelling on mistakes that happened in your childhood that effect you now. Yeah you might be a little screwed now because of those mistakes or experiences, but that won’t change anything. No use playing the blame game with your parents nothing is going to change. But still, looking back and seeing how far you’ve come is awesome too. So I guess looking back to see what God has done in your life and seeing how far you’ve come is good, but dwelling and playing victim isn’t good.

22 Because of the Lord’s great love we are not consumed,
for his compassions never fail.
23 They are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
24 I say to myself, “The Lord is my portion;
therefore I will wait for him.”


Because no matter what happened, no matter how bad it got, God was always there! God always knew what the future held for you. He always knew what you were going to do to glorify him with those experiences. He knew the whole story all along, even when we only saw part of it. That’s where you really see that eternal hope, when you see God was there the whole time and you never had anything to worry about. How it all worked out then, and it’s all gonna work out now. So it’s worth the wait if you have to wait right now. You’ve seen God come through before, and he’s gonna do it again and again forever. He’s always there.

25 The Lord is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;
26 it is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the Lord.
27 It is good for a man to bear the yoke
while he is young.


God is going to take care of you, even if you are suffering right now. He’s going to get you through this! He’s right there with you, he’s never going to leave you. Even as you wait for his next move, he’s right there with you.

28 Let him sit alone in silence,
for the Lord has laid it on him.
29 Let him bury his face in the dust—
there may yet be hope.
30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
and let him be filled with disgrace.


And if you have to struggle and suffer a little bit, so be it! Whatever God has planned, so be it! Let the world bring it and try, they will never overcome God. I read these verses a lot when I feel really struck in depression. Like “Fine, if I have to go through this, so be it! I accept it! I can get through this!”

31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.
32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.
33 For he does not willingly bring affliction
or grief to anyone.


Your struggles won’t last forever. Even if you feel abandoned by God right now, it won’t always be that way. Just hang on; this won’t last forever I promise. God is right there with you, you have to believe me! I know what it’s like to feel like that a lost sheep that God never came to find. But it’s not true! You will have to endure hardships, but God is going to get you through them, and you’re gonna come out of them stronger than ever! This is not just to entertain him or something. God does not enjoy watching you suffer. But this is what we must endure to become who he knows we can be.

(hold on I'm gonna geek all over this thread for a minute)

You know in the Green Lantern comic series, the ring for the Green Lantern Corps picks people that done seem like hero material. It’s usually someone with all sorts of flaws and problems. The ring doesn’t say “Hey you’re awesome already you can totally be a superhero!” No. The ring says “you have the ABILITY to overcome great fear” Like they aren’t there yet, they aren’t fearless amazing superheros yet…but THEY CAN BE!! That’s how God choose us! He says “you have to ability to be bold and fearless if you trust me and have faith in me” Because in my opinion, the power of willpower that the Green Lanterns use…it sounds a lot like faith to me. That’s my opinion though.

Anyway, kind of random I guess, just what I was thinking this most recent read through.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:42 am

22
Because of the Lord’s great love we are not consumed,
for his compassions never fail.


Matthew Henry’s Commentary:
God is an inexhaustible fountain of mercy, the Father of mercies. Note, We all owe it to the sparing mercy of God that we are not consumed. Others have been consumed round about us, and we ourselves have been in the consuming, and yet we are not consumed; we are out of the grave; we are out of hell. Had we been dealt with according to our sins, we should have been consumed long ago; but we have been dealt with according to God’s mercies, and we are bound to acknowledge it to his praise.


Consumed…I think of despair, loneliness, fear, anger…things that can consume us if we let them. I’ve compared the despair with depression to getting eaten alive by wild dogs before (which my therapist at the time found disturbing lol). Like getting literally eaten alive, buts it’s your heart and soul getting eaten alive not your physical body.

This is why I say that Satan is the one that wants you to suffer, and it is Christ that wants to you conquer. Satan wants you to suffer in whatever you are struggling with, to be in pain and impatient for relief. To get desperate for an end to your grief, and to grow weary of waiting for God and fall away…and to seek worldly potions as a cure that don’t work. Yes, it is Satan that wants you to suffer…because he wants you to give up and lose faith in God and drift away. He wants you to think that God is punishing you and that God is that angry God of the old testament people talk about. He wants you to think that it’s all God’s fault and that there’s no good reason for you to suffer. He wants you to drink and cut and talk pills to feel better instead of rely on God…because none of that works and he knows it! And then addiction is consuming you too, you’ve invited another dog to dinner.

Christ…he wants…no he KNOWS you can conquer it! He knows you can get through this and defeat it! Because he’s right there with you, the creator of everything and ruler of all who can do anything imaginable and unimaginable…the one who can do the impossible…he’s on our side! So if you have faith in God to get you through this it won’t consume you…it can’t consume you if you rely on God! But you’ve gotta have faith and see it through…maybe suffer a little bit for a little while. Because there’s a bigger picture you haven’t even seen, a reason behind why you are going through this.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by sassy1506 Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:04 am

Courtney, your posts are one of my favorite things in this life! Nice Green Lantern geek out....

Courtney covered pretty much everything I thought about while going through this chapter... but these verses also jumped out at me.

40 Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the Lord .
41 Let us lift up our hearts and our hands to God in heaven, and say:
42 “We have sinned and rebelled and you have not forgiven.


Often times when we're oppressed, we try to pass the blame onto someone else. But that doesn't make anything better. God's waiting right there to forgive us, but we need to take responsibility for our actions. The rough stuff always has good reason.

55 I called on your name, Lord , from the depths of the pit.
56 You heard my plea: “Do not close your ears to my cry for relief.”
57 You came near when I called you, and you said, “Do not fear.”


I think this verse speaks for itself...
-Sam

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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:44 am

-so it speaks about God's compassion never failing even in the middle of their afflictions......so true, isn't that where you experience God's love, mercy, and compassion the most though? In the depths of afflictions

-the Lord is our portion...like he should be enough to satisfy us and make our happy and content....because all other worldly ways of satisfaction will leave you hungry...or even carve a hole in your stomach so you never satisfy again...so don't let the world's poisons eat a hole in you even though they say it will fill you
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:26 pm

31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.


1 Peter 1:
6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.


Its kind of like a full circle moment for me studying Lamentations 3 this week, and having seen my Dear X photo series not only shared on Disciple's facebook, but also appreciated and shared by so many fans. A series completely expressing the dark side to my writing and art that has always been there since those days in high school clinging to this chapter...and then seeing all those experiences come together into something used to reach out to people, and then seeing it accepted by people.

I've said it a million times, but what I've been through in the past is why I do what I do now. Everything while I clung to those verses for dear life, and then realizing years later that God had been there the whole time even as I swore he had abandoned me....that's why I can write what I write and post the photos I do. I just don't feel like I have anything to lose because God was there through the darkest times of my life so far and I made it through, I'm not afraid to speak up...well online at least in person is still really hard. Doing videos and stuff on pornography is really hard too, but its gotta be done so I'm going for it and remembering I've got nothing to lose.


32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.
33 For he does not willingly bring affliction
or grief to anyone


Although one thing to think about here is that though we are given grief through hardships and trials here...its not just for kicks or entertainment for God. Its not without meaning or reason. Sometimes we are given grief because of his love for us because we need discipline so in a way he is willing to give us hardship sometimes for discipline's sake so we can learn and grow. So because he is willing to get tough when we need it despite knowing the grief it will cause us...but ultimately help us....he shows how much he really loves us.

And I say it all the time, you might be going through something just so you can help someone else in the future that would be hopeless without you. Which is even better than helping just yourself, getting to help someone else along the way.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by Kevin Young Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:03 am

I have greatly enjoyed reading this thread this morning. This chapter is so heavy...

Courtney was just talking about verse 33 "For He does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone." The NLT reads like this, "33For he does not enjoy hurting people
or causing them sorrow."

I looked up some commentaries on this verse because I wanted to dig deeper into the idea that God does not "willingly bring affliction." I found this commentary by a guy named John Gill. John Gill lived in the 1700's and went to the same church as Charles Spurgeon about 100 hundred years earlier. I found his notes on this verse very insightful...

For he doth not afflict willingly
Or, "from his heart" {e}; he does afflict; for all afflictions are from God, but they do not come from the mere motion of his heart, or are the effects of his sovereign will and pleasure, as the good things he bestows upon his people do, without any respect to any cause or occasion in them; but sin is the cause and occasion of these, as Jarchi well observes: it is with reluctance the Lord afflicts his people; he is as it were forced to it, speaking after the manner of men; see ( Hosea 11:8 ) ; he does not do it with delight and pleasure; he delights in mercy, but judgment is his strange act; nor does he do it with all his heart and soul, with all his might and strength; he does not stir up all his wrath: for then the spirit would fail before him, and the souls that he has made; and especially he does not do it out of ill will, but in love, and for their good: nor grieve the children of men:
that is, he does not from his heart, or willingly, grieve the children of men, by, afflicting them; which must be understood of those sons of men whom he has loved, and made his sons and heirs; those sons of men that wisdom's delights were with from everlasting, ( Proverbs 8:31 ) .


I like that he said, "it is with reluctance the Lord afflicts his people. And judgement is his strange act. Almost like judgement is this strange thing that is now needed because of sin but never desired by God. And lastly, "he does not do it out of ill will, but in love, and for their good." This lines up with verse 27, "27And it is good for people to submit at an early age to the yoke of his discipline." How strange indeed, that discipline would be for our good. That is one of the biggest mysteries in life is how hardship and discipline are good for me. But the evidence is completely overwhelming. If I am left to my own sinful desires and passions, the end result is my mind is completely in a fog and there is literally no good fruit in my life. But then enter the Lord's discipline.... His discipline brings about sorrow and change in my life. Allows me to examine myself... and examine if their is a better way to live, and then adjust my path accordingly. Almost like when our body feels pain. Pain is the way our mind alerts us that something is wrong in our body. Imagine having a broken arm but feeling no pain. If you kept using that arm you would only make it worse. But pain screams out, "Your arm is broken, it needs to be fixed!" God uses affliction and pain to allow us to see the damage we have done to ourselves spiritually, and then adjust our path accordingly so that we may be healed.

That is the beautiful thing about our relationship with God. Everything truly is a blessing. God will use every situation (the good and the bad) in our life to bless us and make us grow closer to Him.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by Skilletx6 Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:18 am

I read this chapter last week and i was struggling with does God hear me. And at the time the chapter confused me because I had only read the first half where it was saying that stuff. So it was basically out of context and sorta discouraged me. But then Wednesday I was struggling with a relationship I was trying to workout and I wasn't getting anything from the message so I turned to this chapter ans read all of it, not just the first part and it really encouraged me and helped me.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by notebooknut Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:40 am

Drew, let me just tell you that He does ALWAYS hear you, and He does ALWAYS care. 24 hours of the day. I struggled with that for a long time, and once I was kinda Breaking Down (hehhee) and I asked, "why did this happen? I TRUSTED YOU!" in which I definitely overstepped my boundaries with respect, and I probably shouldn't of said what I did. Well, the next morning in church, there was a message in tongues that was scary directed at me. It was something along the lines of, "My children, I love you, AND I HEAR YOU. I see the struggle you are going through, I KNOW the struggle you're going through! What is it that you think is too difficult for ME? Acknowledge and believe in ME, and I will stretch out my hand with all of My might and power, and mend the broken." So He has a way of letting us know that always. :)
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by Skilletx6 Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:47 am

Thank you. I've struggled with that more over the last month then ever before. He is helping me with it though.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:53 am

Kevin Young wrote: Almost like when our body feels pain. Pain is the way our mind alerts us that something is wrong in our body. Imagine having a broken arm but feeling no pain. If you kept using that arm you would only make it worse. But pain screams out, "Your arm is broken, it needs to be fixed!" God uses affliction and pain to allow us to see the damage we have done to ourselves spiritually, and then adjust our path accordingly so that we may be healed.


That's a good way of putting it. Otherwise we are just going about our lives with these wounds and injuries thinking we are just fine and we can just "walk it off".
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:47 am

4 He has made my skin and my flesh grow old
and has broken my bones.


I know I've seen something like that somewhere else. It's something I've never used, comparing some feeling or affliction to feeling worn and old. But maybe speaking about feeling literally weighted down or feeling poisoned is close to that, not sure. It's always something I've liked how he described it, but I could never find a way to use something similar to it.

It's funny how at the start he writes about being afflicted, and then at the end he is wishing affliction on his enemies. Maybe it's just me, just a weird switch to me. But then again this chapter is way long and goes through a lot of stuff.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by notebooknut Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:54 pm

Kevin Young wrote:
That is the beautiful thing about our relationship with God. Everything truly is a blessing. God will use every situation (the good and the bad) in our life to bless us and make us grow closer to Him.


Kevin, I don't think I could agree with you more! I've been through some stuff lately and believe it or not- God has used me immensely with helping my sister in a situation that's going on write now. You wouldn't think that when she would come to be in tears she'd leave laughing because of the words God would give me to lift her heart back up to where it's supposed to be. I tell you what- every time I talk to her the words to Unbroken roll through my mind. Thank you for writing that, Kevin. (and the other dudes, I'd never leave all ya'll out) It has helped me and my sister more than you can imagine.

So much so that I find myself lying in bed, praying and almost every time I say this, "Father, thank you for Disciple. They are truly a blessing and I pray that you'll bless them abundantly for the wonderful work they do for Your kingdom."

I know one thing, bro. When you all get to heaven one day, you better believe Jesus is going to welcome you with a giant, "Well done my faithful sons." :)
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ECCENTRICSHEEP Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:01 pm

55 I called on your name, Lord,
from the depths of the pit.
56 You heard my plea: “Do not close your ears
to my cry for relief.”
57 You came near when I called you,
and you said, “Do not fear.”


I don't think I really appreciated that "do no fear" often said in the bible until I was really fearful of something. I don't think you really can appreciate that until you've gone through something that scared the daylights out of you and you were clinging to God for dear life. I mean, if you haven't gone through anything traumatic, be it whatever from inside your body or outside in your life, you might be like "okay whatever I'm not afraid".....but you know if you've been through something difficult where you really had to hand the wheel over the Jesus...that "do not fear" means a lot. Even if you were still afraid after hearing it or reading it.

So yeah...that "do not be afraid"...its one of my favorite lines to read in the bible now. It always gives me some amount of peace even if it can't seem to completely banish away my anxieties at the the moment.
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SELF INJURY AWARENESS DAY POST
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by notebooknut Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:23 pm

Courtney, wonderful point!!!!!!!!
- Maddie

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This is the reality of my duality
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ImNotInvisible Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:39 am

Music, often, is a journey. Both lyrics and instrumentals can take you from one place to another. Sometimes, they show just one scenery of the journey, or they show the whole thing. This chapter is like that. It takes you from a starting point of broken desperation, but eventually leads us to the hope that "The Lord is good to those whose hope is in him,to the one who seeks him" (v. 25) and "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love." (vs. 31-32) It begins with heavy condemnation, yet ends with beautiful hope.

Just my ideas being thrown out here.
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by notebooknut Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:15 pm

I love your insights, Sophia!! Your posts are always so poetic...
- Maddie

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As different as the sun and moon is
This is the reality of my duality
This WE needs to become a ME!"
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ImNotInvisible Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:05 am

Haha oh please, Maddie! You have way better posts! :D
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by notebooknut Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:39 am

Nope. Your twice the poet I am, girlfriend!! :mrgreen:
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Re: LAMENTATIONS CHAPTER 3

by ImNotInvisible Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:11 pm

notebooknut wrote:Nope. Your twice the poet I am, girlfriend!! :mrgreen:

Oh PUH-LEASE. But thank you for the compliment :)
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