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by Kevin Young Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:51 pm

This week we will be discussing TITUS Chapter 1. After you read the chapter, please take time to post….

1. Your favorite passages from Chapter 1
2. Things that challenged you
3. Any special insights that you would like to share with us
4. Any questions that you may have
5. Any related thoughts at all
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by ECCENTRICSHEEP Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:24 am

6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe[b] and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Have we ever considered adding "enjoys the drawing of sheep" to this list?

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

To the normal person almost everything is the germaphobe nothing is clean.....

The online stuff I looked at first says this is connected with 4:3-5....

3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.


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by ECCENTRICSHEEP Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:46 pm

I spammed this everywhere because I thought it was cool so why not throw it here too. It's part of Barclay's commentary on Matthew 6 talking about the Christian reward....

The second reward of the Christian life is still more work to do. It is the paradox of the Christian idea of rewards that a task well done does not bring rest and comfort and ease; it brings still greater demands and still more strenuous endeavors. In the parable of the talents the reward of the faithful servants was still greater responsibility (Matt 25: 14-30). When a teacher gets a really brilliant and able scholar, he does not exempt him from work; he gives him harder work than is given to anyone else. The brilliant young musician is given, not easier, but harder music to master. The lab who has played well in the second eleven is not put into the third eleven, where he could walk through the game without breaking sweat; he is put into the first eleven where he has to play his heart out. The Jews had a curious saying, They said that a wise teacher will treat the pupil "like a young heifer whose burden is increased daily." The Christian reward is the reverse of the world's reward. The world's reward would be an easier time; the reward of the Christian is that God lays still more and more upon a man to do for him and for his fellow-men. The harder the work we are given to do, the greater the reward.


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by Columbia Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:41 am

Will return when able to spend more time on the text. It has been my observation that most church leaders do not hold, 100%, to the requirements for leaders as listed here. Many people do not realize that these are mainly basic characteristics of a true believer in Christ. We are all to meet theses requirements! Many elders do not measure up to these characteristics because they are, well, sinners. Their families are sinners as well. The Scripture is filled with the ideals we all long to have. So the question is, who is actually qualified to be an elder? Do we follow the lesser of all evils while thinking we are qualified to evaluate a potential leader? Will leave this with you while getting ready to toddle off to work.
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by Columbia Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:14 pm

Verses 10-16 solve the mystery as to why any sinful human being would be placed into the office of an elder. #1 important distinction: They must be a true believer in Christ. Other passages narrow the requirement to a person who is "not a novice." Being a one-woman man with believing children is present in this passage. This does not, however, say that the man has to be married. This is a traditional translation preference of "husband of one wife." One woman man is more general and implies excellence in moral virtue. The crowning statement as to an elder's qualifications is, "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught so that he may give instruction in sound doctrine and also rebuke those who contradict it." This leads me to believe that elders are not necessarily those men who are voted or appointed to an office. Some men stand out as exemplary. These could be considered elders by virtue of a life that has proven them to be stable members of the body of Christ. The children thing is a tough one. I have seen that debated over and over again. Usually this is wavered in favor of a man who has been pre-selected for an office. So, really, not many churches actually cling to this list anyway. I say that to our discredit. Leaders are to be stable in the display of their faith in Christ. This is a day of competitive politics in the church. This being our nature, it is no wonder that Paul gave this instruction to Titus.
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by bandmonkey08 Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:55 pm

For there are many rebellious people who engage in useless talk and deceive others. This is especially true of those who insist on circumcision for salvation. They must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it only for money. Even one of their own men, a prophet from Crete, has said about them, “The people of Crete are all liars, cruel animals, and lazy gluttons.” This is true. So reprimand them sternly to make them strong in the faith. They must stop listening to Jewish myths and the commands of people who have turned away from the truth.
vs 10-14

i found this to be very interesting that Paul specifically mentions this here because it parallels what i've been studying in Colossians (ch 2 vs 1-8).
in that section of Colossians, Paul is heavily emphasizing the need to keep Christ central- solely Christ and the simplicity of the gospel. as I've been studying this bit in Colossians, i see it as an theme woven through most of Paul's letters to the churches.

in Colossians 2:6-9 it says:
Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

:idea: to elaborate further- whenever the text says "therefore", you always want to find out what "therefore" is there for -- and in this case, it's pointing back to the verses before it where it says,
For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments.
(Col. ch 2 vs 1-4)

I quote all of this text of Colossians to draw together the parallels Paul is making between both texts: that our lives should be centered on Christ and there shouldn't be anything added to it. for example- sometimes people can be so hung up on certain disciplines that can be good, that they forget the reason is Christ. ie: fasting (for breakthrough, to see angels, for purification etc <-- examples of reasons why people fast on principle). that's not to say that fasting isn't a good thing to do, but what is your goal? WHY are you fasting?
if the goal isn't Christ, then we've missed the target.

...and that's what Paul is bringing back here in this section of Titus. What i find particularly interesting is how Paul (multiple times in scripture) equates 'adding to the gospel' to false teaching. i think that's interesting because when i've always thought of a false teacher, i think of someone spewing out fire and brimstone threats almost like a cult, but here Paul is actually saying, no it's simply trying to make the gospel be more than about Christ.

i've literally been chewing on this for over a month and i love that it keeps coming back around. :mrgreen:

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by jrowe3737 Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:03 am

This seems to be about why we need elders, as well as what their qualifications and responsibilities should be.

So, we need them in every town, and the person should be of good reputation (lots of description there, so I simplify). It seems interesting to me that it specifically mentions one wife, though elsewhere in the Bible there are multiple wives. I wonder if this is a cultural shift over a period of time (I cant say I actually have looked into that), or if it is because an elder needs to be focused on God, and the more wives you have, the more "earth bound" you are. Dunno.

What I struggle with in this passage is that the children of an elder cannot be rebellious. I have seen many good people with difficult children. Does that mean they are disqualified from service as an elder? Or does it simply mean that having children prone to disobedience could make an elder SEEM less credible. Or is it that an elder would be too distracted by their family to do the church any good? Finally, could it be that the word "rebellious" means something else, and this was the best translation we have in English for that word, or that the word has evolved over time. I'm a language teacher, so I deal with things "lost in translation" on a daily basis.

I found it interesting what it says about how the pure see the world, and how that compares to how the corrupt see the world. It makes sense, though I had never thought of that before.
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by daniraedeisher Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:44 am

bandmonkey08 - "if the goal isn't Christ, then we've missed the target."
Eye-opening observation! Reminds me of "I Just Know". Thanks for the reminder to keep Jesus first!

Verses 9 and 13 stuck out to me.
"He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it."

"This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith..."

I love Jesus, undoubtedly. I don't know if it's a character flaw or something, but I feel like I'm naturally wired to avoid conflict. When I read about how Jesus rebuked people (i.e, calling the Pharisees a brood of vipers), I feel uncomfortable, as if I'm in the room with two people arguing. If someone I love is doing something or believes something harmful, I really struggle with how / if I should lovingly correct them. My hubby loves to debate, and he's good at it. I think that I worry about hurting other people's feelings. It reminds me of Matt. 10:28

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Please pray for me to have wisdom to do what God wants me to do and that He would give me boldness in a way that honors Him.
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by barn43 Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:40 pm

7 An elder is a manager of God's household so he must live a blameless life.

I think we are all held to this standard as Christians, not just the leaders of the Church. Living a "blameless life" can prove difficult at times but also rewarding. Like not having a foul mouth at work when all the other guys and gals use profane words constantly. People notice this sort of thing so I think trying to live a blameless life is pretty serious stuff that God has called us to.

Really enjoy all the excellent comments on this topic.
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